Learning Ostomy

Question:

"Mark Barber" <mark.bar…@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote in message <news:gNf38.15955$K35.1927121@news1.cableinet.net>… > My best guess is it is your medication that is causing the output to be > thicker. Are you on any opium based pain relief? i.e. morphine, codeine etc, > these cause constipation in normal circumstances and thicker outputs in > ostomists. If so speak with your doctors about possible changes to diet or > medication to counter balance the effect of the opium’s > Mark

 Hello Everyone!    Thanks very much for all the posts!!  Your information has been very very valuable!  I will try the air in the bag after emptying it. This week has been trouble free, know on wood.  Thanks again everyone! Ralf Loserth

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My best guess is it is your medication that is causing the output to be thicker. Are you on any opium based pain relief? i.e. morphine, codeine etc, these cause constipation in normal circumstances and thicker outputs in ostomists. If so speak with your doctors about possible changes to diet or medication to counter balance the effect of the opium’s Mark "Ralf P. Loserth" <lose…@dvideo-tx.com> wrote in message news:a36b243e.0201201957.53e1be01@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello Everyone, >   I suffer from Crohn’s disease, and due to a life threating colon > bleed, I had had an ileostomy a few months ago. It’s been fairly > trouble free until my output started getting thicker.  The output is > so thick that sometimes I need to push it down to keep it from > bunching up.  It appears that me pushing the output down pushes the > stuff under my wafer.  I think it probably gets under there even > without my pushing.  I imagine the clothes put some pressure on it.  I > use a Hollister wafer and bag.  I use stomahesive to try to keep the > stuff from doing that, but it’s not working.  I had been getting a > full seven days, now it’s getting shorter.  There have been many great > posts on this, but any other advice would be very nice.  Thanks > Ralf P. Loserth

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Ralf, Try a convex wafer and a belt. Have a good one, Joy

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I have had a colostomy since early Dec, 01. I had my first accident last night. Exactly what you described. I woke up at 5:00 and realized something was wrong. Unbelievably it didn’t make ANY mess at all. The "stuff" was all stuck to the wafer and looked undisturbed. I checked the sheets and they were clean. Luck was on my side for the first accident. I happened to see my ostomy nurse today and she told me Pam or vegetable oil would help. Also a little air in the bag doesn’t hurt. I didn’t even try to go back to sleep as I was a little paranoid that I had done something wrong. Thanks to my ostomy nurses reassurance and the answers to this post I will sleep like a baby tonight. Thanks all — Marc from AK — "Ralf P. Loserth" <lose…@dvideo-tx.com> wrote in message news:a36b243e.0201201957.53e1be01@posting.google.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hello Everyone, >   I suffer from Crohn’s disease, and due to a life threating colon > bleed, I had had an ileostomy a few months ago. It’s been fairly > trouble free until my output started getting thicker.  The output is > so thick that sometimes I need to push it down to keep it from > bunching up.  It appears that me pushing the output down pushes the > stuff under my wafer.  I think it probably gets under there even > without my pushing.  I imagine the clothes put some pressure on it.  I > use a Hollister wafer and bag.  I use stomahesive to try to keep the > stuff from doing that, but it’s not working.  I had been getting a > full seven days, now it’s getting shorter.  There have been many great > posts on this, but any other advice would be very nice.  Thanks > Ralf P. Loserth

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Convexity! Convexity! Convexity!………I am sold on it!!!!! best stuff ever invented  ; )     eMi ileostomy 01-04-01 Crohn’s 1989

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -CRASH BANDlC00T wrote: >>months ago. It’s been fairly >>trouble free until my output started getting thicker. > Ralf, > I can relate to your problem. I have a colostomy and of course, the output is > thick. I have had considerable trouble with "undermining" of the wafer. I am > currently using a wafer with convexity and Eakin Seals which seem to do a > somewhat better job than the Stomahesive paste. You can request free samples of > this product by going to the Convatec.com website and emailing them. I have > also heard that some folks spray the pouch interior with a kitchen cooking > spray like Pam to facilitate movement of the output down into the pouch. > Another idea is for you to google this group – I am pretty certain you will > find additional info that way. HTHS. > Best, > Crash

and if you do not already wear a belt you might want to try wearing one. Rob — Delapsus resurgam! when I fall I shall rise!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -"Ralf P. Loserth" wrote: > Hello Everyone, >   I suffer from Crohn’s disease, and due to a life threating colon > bleed, I had had an ileostomy a few months ago. It’s been fairly > trouble free until my output started getting thicker.  The output is > so thick that sometimes I need to push it down to keep it from > bunching up.  It appears that me pushing the output down pushes the > stuff under my wafer.  I think it probably gets under there even > without my pushing.  I imagine the clothes put some pressure on it.  I > use a Hollister wafer and bag.  I use stomahesive to try to keep the > stuff from doing that, but it’s not working.  I had been getting a > full seven days, now it’s getting shorter.  There have been many great > posts on this, but any other advice would be very nice.  Thanks > Ralf P. Loserth

If you have thick output (which is a GOOD thing), after you empty be sure that there is some air in your pouch before you close it.  If there isn’t the wafer will undermine very easily. Air in the bag will compress and prevent the undermining of the wafer. Larry — Larry Finch ::finc…@bellatlantic.net   la…@prolifics.com ::LarryFi…@aol.com         (whew!) N 40