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This is a situation where every ostomy is different and everyone who has one develops their own system. I, myself on most occasions CANNOT get the waste out without using a little water and I can’t afford to slap on a new pouch everyday so it’s a relief to have it somwhat rinsed out…My only obsession is shopping!! Susan
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I suppose if someone really needed to irrigate their pouch, that would be one way of doing it. But I’ve never understood why anyone needed to irrigate their pouch unless it was to relieve an obsessive/compulsive disorder.
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Uh-oh… I wash my hands before I eat, too… hmm… How about getting 7-10 days out of a setup because it’s rinsed clean 3-5 times a day? And just because it’s supposed to be filled with bodily waste doesn’t mean it should be, constantly, with that little bit you just can’t squeegee out by hand. Don’t knock it ’till you’ve tried it. Dave Actually34 <actuall…@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20020803171049.19266.00000790@mb-mt.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I suppose if someone really needed to irrigate their pouch, that would be one > way of doing it. But I’ve never understood why anyone needed to irrigate their > pouch unless it was to relieve an obsessive/compulsive disorder.
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Doesn’t anyone use The Vent? A kit produced by Ellenberg Associates of Oriskany, NY, it allows you to rinse the pouch from the top via a piece of 1/4" plastic tubing. The connection is made with a tiny hole cutter, an aluminum rivet head, and a #36 O-ring, and the perfect bottle is a 250- or 500-mL Nalgene lab squirt bottle with a fine nozzle and valve top. I spoke once with the late Mr. Ellenburg’s son who now runs the business, and he told me that even though the response to this (patented) invention has been overwhelming, no medical supply house would touch it, and not a lot of people of ostomy support caregivers know about it. Dave MacEwan Ron Gould <r…@gould.net> wrote in message
news:ahs54701qjt@enews2.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > geez, i need to get a video camera so i can actually show people how i do > this. > > that’d be one for the kinky sites, eh? > Is this a "Show me yours and I’ll show you mine" scenario? > <big grin> > ahh-memories of my very young childhood— > <all in good natured fun> > Best— > Ron > Be careful of Scots in Kilts coming up behind you wearing sneakers > 
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i use hollister new image drainable mini-bags. they’re very soft, have a nice cloth covering and they don’t make "crinkly" sounds. i’m a sax player, tho … i hope i’m dexterous. 
>There must be a lot of people in this NG who either have MUCH more >flexible bags than I wear. Or they have a heck of a lot better manual >dexterity than I can muster. The few times I even made an attempt at >cuffing, the bag split down either side. Just gotta have the knack, >methinks. ;-Deano
Lauren! (take out the "nojunk" to reply) beer drinking, sax playing, baseball junkie on a rampage … beware!
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> geez, i need to get a video camera so i can actually show people how i do this. > that’d be one for the kinky sites, eh?
Is this a "Show me yours and I’ll show you mine" scenario? <big grin> ahh-memories of my very young childhood— <all in good natured fun> Best— Ron Be careful of Scots in Kilts coming up behind you wearing sneakers )
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I have had an ileostomy for nearly 14 years but have a question that probably sounds stupid and may very well be but here goes anyhow. I was outfitted with drainable pouches after my initial surgery and have worn them full time since. I am wondering if anyone wears closed end pouches other than for "special occasions"? If so, do you dispose of them by placing in a "zip-lock" type of bag and placing them in the regular garbage? Do any of you make an effort to rinse them out and re-use them? I find it darn near impossible to clean the tail of a drainable pouch other than when taking a shower and am not crazy about showering each time I empty the pouch. Any guidance that can be ofered will be appreciated. Gene
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>I find it darn near impossible to clean the tail of a drainable pouch other than when taking a shower and am not crazy about showering each time I empty the pouch. Any guidance that can be ofered will be appreciated. Gene I clean the end of my drainable pouch quite easily, and each time I empty my pouch. It makes the clip go on more secure, plus I just feel better. After I empty the pouch, I grip the top of the pouch with a few fingers, and "strip" the effluent downward and out with a downward movement of my fingers. Then I take about 12 inches of toilet paper and fold it in half, in half, in half, etc until I end up with something like a "tongue depresser". Then I use that (inside) the tail piece, swabbing in and out, as I move the "tongue depresser" gradually from left to right on the inside of the tailstock. Then the clip goes on real easy, with no "peanut chunks" or other stuff trying to get in the way whilst they are stuck on the inside of the tailstock. Nice clean job— Best— Ron Wow, I know, "tongue depresser", but I could never figure out what else to call it. Real vivid image, huh??? As bad as watching someone decorate a cake, and thinking about "stripping" pouch contents. and I used the word "whilst" too. Ghhhheeeeezzz–is there no (beginning) to my talent? <big grin> Ron
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Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what the hell was that?" Sometimes (mostly at home) I put some water in the pouch so everything comes out clean and easy. Susan
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I hold the drainable end up and remove the clip. Then I cuff the end back about 1 inch and lower the end to drain. That way the waste doesn’t flow over the portion that is cuffed back. I take a little toilet paper to wipe off the end, uncuff, and reclip. Jim/Boston >I find it darn near >impossible to clean the tail of a drainable pouch other than when taking a >shower and am not crazy about showering each time I empty the pouch. Any >guidance that can be ofered will be appreciated.
I’m not young enough to know everything. — J.M.Barrie
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> Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what
the hell was that?" Sometimes (mostly at home) I put some water in the pouch so everything comes out clean and easy. > Susan
"what the hell was that?" Corn still looks the same as it did when I had all my plumbing. I guess some things never change!! <grin> )))) Me too, I sometimes use an empty ‘Banish" bottle, with luke warm water. Pour it in, and "Shake ‘n Bake" the pouch for a good rinse job. Gheeezz– I know, I know–I always have some vivid description of things, like Attilla the Honey says "I’m very creative, vivid & colorful" ;-)) My sense of humor keeps me from (whatever?) Have a good weekend—no, on second thought, make that a Great weekend!! (I’m going to try to grill some of that 18 million pounds of recalled hamburger this weekend–;-)) Actually, I’m going to throw it out. It has been in the freezer for 2-3 weeks, and I don’t trust that it might be in the recalled hamburger category.) Not worth the risk. Throwout $5 hamburger or pay $250 ER visit and sickness. No way!!. When in doubt, throw it out!! Best— Ron
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> Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what the hell was that?" > Susan
Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn with a product called "Milorganite". Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato plants started growing in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of people who had this problem. Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee Organic—(whatever)". The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage Disposal System, to make a profit with a new product, a composting system using City Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get passed intact when they go through a Human digestive system!!. I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years ago. How’s that for "visual"– NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants into MY garden and eat the tomatoes!!! I really don’t make these up, folks. Best— Ron (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?) ;-))))
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Oh, by The Way— I remember the name being Milorganite (at that time). Please don’t confuse it with the really good "white crystal" Milorganite sold on the market now for many years. This one is a great soil conditioner, I use it often in my plantings. It is a natural ground product, and is a great soil conditioner, like a "gypsum". Just wanted to clear that up because the origional stuff has not been on the marketnow for 25-30 years, and the other name is a dead ringer. Totally different stuff. Best— Ron (what variety of Tomato is this?—<grin>)—anal? "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message
news:ah9t000dj@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what > the hell was that?" > > Susan > Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) > Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn with a product > called "Milorganite". > Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato plants started growing > in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. > The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of people who had this > problem. > Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee Organic—(whatever)". > The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage Disposal System, > to make a profit with a new product, a composting system using City > Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get passed intact > when they go through a Human digestive system!!. > I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. > Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years ago. > How’s that for "visual"– > NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants into MY garden > and eat the tomatoes!!! > I really don’t make these up, folks. > Best— > Ron > (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?) ;-))))
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Ron–I never did feel that the stuff would migrate into the tomatoes as long as they were staked up off the ground. In fact, I have been known to go to the sewage disposal plant and get a pickup truck load for my garden. As you say, that was many years ago–perhaps that was responsible for the UC? Many years passed between the fertilizing and the UC so I am saying that in jest!! "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message
news:ah9ucu032b@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh, by The Way— > I remember the name being Milorganite (at that time). > Please don’t confuse it with the really good "white crystal" Milorganite > sold on the market now for many years. This one is a great soil conditioner, > I use it often in my plantings. It is a natural ground product, and is a > great soil conditioner, like a "gypsum". > Just wanted to clear that up because the origional stuff has not been on the > marketnow for 25-30 years, and the other name is a dead ringer. > Totally different stuff. > Best— > Ron > (what variety of Tomato is this?—<grin>)—anal? > "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message > news:ah9t000dj@enews1.newsguy.com… > > > Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what > > the hell was that?" > > > Susan > > Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) > > Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn with a product > > called "Milorganite". > > Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato plants started > growing > > in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. > > The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of people who had this > > problem. > > Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee Organic—(whatever)". > > The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage Disposal System, > > to make a profit with a new product, a composting system using City > > Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get passed intact > > when they go through a Human digestive system!!. > > I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. > > Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years ago. > > How’s that for "visual"– > > NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants into MY garden > > and eat the tomatoes!!! > > I really don’t make these up, folks. > > Best— > > Ron > > (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?) ;-))))
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I hadn’t seen the post on tomato seeds and millorganite before, but reading the thread reminded me of way back to the time my old man had a WW II Victory Garden. He used to use horse manure and I had the pleasure of working the garden. Often times when he got a load of manure, tomato seeds would sprout into delightful plants from which we got the biggest, juiciest, best tasting tomatoes. Never had ‘em growing on our front lawn though. — PcolaPhil The worst mistake is to have the best ladder and the wrong wall. "Gene Beckman" <oldem…@cox-internet.com> wrote in message
news:ujjhq6mtodcl42@corp.supernews.com… | Ron–I never did feel that the stuff would migrate into the tomatoes as long | as they were staked up off the ground. In fact, I have been known to go to | the sewage disposal plant and get a pickup truck load for my garden. As you | say, that was many years ago–perhaps that was responsible for the UC? Many | years passed between the fertilizing and the UC so I am saying that in | jest!! | "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message | news:ah9ucu032b@enews1.newsguy.com… | > Oh, by The Way— | > | > I remember the name being Milorganite (at that time). | > | > Please don’t confuse it with the really good "white crystal" Milorganite | > sold on the market now for many years. This one is a great soil | conditioner, | > I use it often in my plantings. It is a natural ground product, and is a | > great soil conditioner, like a "gypsum". | > | > Just wanted to clear that up because the origional stuff has not been on | the | > marketnow for 25-30 years, and the other name is a dead ringer. | > | > Totally different stuff. | > | > Best— | > Ron | > | > (what variety of Tomato is this?—<grin>)—anal? | > | > | > | > "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message | > news:ah9t000dj@enews1.newsguy.com… | > > | > > | > > > Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, | "what | > > the hell was that?" | > > > Susan | > > > | > > | > > Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) | > > | > > Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn with a product | > > called "Milorganite". | > > | > > Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato plants started | > growing | > > in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. | > > | > > The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of people who had | this | > > problem. | > > | > > Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee Organic—(whatever)". | > > | > > The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage Disposal | System, | > > to make a profit with a new product, a composting system using City | > > Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get passed | intact | > > when they go through a Human digestive system!!. | > > | > > I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. | > > | > > Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years ago. | > > | > > How’s that for "visual"– | > > | > > NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants into MY | garden | > > and eat the tomatoes!!! | > > | > > I really don’t make these up, folks. | > > | > > Best— | > > Ron | > > | > > (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?) ))) | > > | > > | > > | > | > | | |
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Thanks for asking the question, Gene. I am very much new to this whole bag thing and I am struggling myself. I somehow manage to get shit on myself every time I drain. I’ve always done the cuff thing but that seems to be when I get into the most trouble. Is this a step some people skip? I guess the tongue depressor idea would do although it seems involved and also potentially messy. Please keep the suggestions coming in as I really hope to avoid the mess but I’m beginning to think it is just wishful thinking. Otherwise, I need a good hand moisturizer as my hands are drying out with the very frequent washings. Help! "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message
news:ah781b014rq@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >I find it darn near impossible to clean the tail of a drainable pouch > other than when taking a shower and am not crazy about showering each time I > empty the pouch. Any guidance that can be ofered will be appreciated. > Gene > I clean the end of my drainable pouch quite easily, and each time I empty my > pouch. It makes the clip go on more secure, plus I just feel better. > After I empty the pouch, I grip the top of the pouch with a few fingers, and > "strip" the effluent downward and out with a downward movement of my > fingers. > Then I take about 12 inches of toilet paper and fold it in half, in half, in > half, etc until I end up with something like a "tongue depresser". > Then I use that (inside) the tail piece, swabbing in and out, as I move the > "tongue depresser" gradually from left to right on the inside of the > tailstock. > Then the clip goes on real easy, with no "peanut chunks" or other stuff > trying to get in the way whilst they are stuck on the inside of the > tailstock. > Nice clean job— > Best— > Ron > Wow, I know, "tongue depresser", but I could never figure out what else to > call it. Real vivid image, huh??? > As bad as watching someone decorate a cake, and thinking about "stripping" > pouch contents. > and I used the word "whilst" too. > Ghhhheeeeezzz–is there no (beginning) to my talent? <big grin> > Ron
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They were so insistent in the hospital that I cuff the pouch back when emptying…well, you know what? It does not work for me and I haven’t done it since. (1 yr. post op). YOu’re right…nothing but a mess. I just open it up, and when done I clean the end with tissue and a little bit of the inside and put the velcro back on. I haven’t had any major incidences. It beats shitting on my hands before the surgery…CD was out of control! Good luck Susan
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I don’t cuff back either. I just wipe the end with tp. Then I fold up a "tongue depresser" (maybe a "pencil" would be a better word. A few in and out strokes with that, and the tailpiece s clean. So are my fingers. Not really that much work–just takes maybe 20 seconds. Best— Ron "bch m8" <dc…@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:9682-3D3D484D-483@storefull-2133.public.lawson.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> They were so insistent in the hospital that I cuff the pouch back when > emptying…well, you know what? It does not work for me and I haven’t > done it since. (1 yr. post op). YOu’re right…nothing but a mess. I > just open it up, and when done I clean the end with tissue and a little > bit of the inside and put the velcro back on. I haven’t had any major > incidences. It beats shitting on my hands before the surgery…CD was > out of control! > Good luck > Susan
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It’s just the mental image of where the seeds have been (passing thru an intestinal tract), that turns me off. I know they must be ok tomatoes, but the mental image is really for Sh**. All kind of puns intended ) Best— Ron "PcolaPhil" <flaretph…@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:cpl_8.7976$_C2.640688@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hadn’t seen the post on tomato seeds and millorganite before, > but reading the thread reminded me of way back to the time my old > man had a WW II Victory Garden. He used to use horse manure and > I had the pleasure of working the garden. Often times when he > got a load of manure, tomato seeds would sprout into delightful > plants from which we got the biggest, juiciest, best tasting > tomatoes. Never had ‘em growing on our front lawn though. > — > PcolaPhil > The worst mistake is to have the best ladder and the wrong wall. > "Gene Beckman" <oldem…@cox-internet.com> wrote in message > news:ujjhq6mtodcl42@corp.supernews.com… > | Ron–I never did feel that the stuff would migrate into the > tomatoes as long > | as they were staked up off the ground. In fact, I have been > known to go to > | the sewage disposal plant and get a pickup truck load for my > garden. As you > | say, that was many years ago–perhaps that was responsible for > the UC? Many > | years passed between the fertilizing and the UC so I am saying > that in > | jest!! > | "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message > | news:ah9ucu032b@enews1.newsguy.com… > | > Oh, by The Way— > | > > | > I remember the name being Milorganite (at that time). > | > > | > Please don’t confuse it with the really good "white crystal" > Milorganite > | > sold on the market now for many years. This one is a great > soil > | conditioner, > | > I use it often in my plantings. It is a natural ground > product, and is a > | > great soil conditioner, like a "gypsum". > | > > | > Just wanted to clear that up because the origional stuff has > not been on > | the > | > marketnow for 25-30 years, and the other name is a dead > ringer. > | > > | > Totally different stuff. > | > > | > Best— > | > Ron > | > > | > (what variety of Tomato is this?—<grin>)—anal? > | > > | > > | > > | > "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message > | > news:ah9t000dj@enews1.newsguy.com… > | > > > | > > > | > > > Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang > on…you think, > | "what > | > > the hell was that?" > | > > > Susan > | > > > > | > > > | > > Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) > | > > > | > > Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn > with a product > | > > called "Milorganite". > | > > > | > > Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato > plants started > | > growing > | > > in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. > | > > > | > > The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of > people who had > | this > | > > problem. > | > > > | > > Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee > Organic—(whatever)". > | > > > | > > The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage > Disposal > | System, > | > > to make a profit with a new product, a composting system > using City > | > > Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get > passed > | intact > | > > when they go through a Human digestive system!!. > | > > > | > > I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. > | > > > | > > Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years > ago. > | > > > | > > How’s that for "visual"– > | > > > | > > NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants > into MY > | garden > | > > and eat the tomatoes!!! > | > > > | > > I really don’t make these up, folks. > | > > > | > > Best— > | > > Ron > | > > > | > > (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?) > ))) > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > | > > | > | > |
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After I empty my drainable pouch, I run two fingers down either side until I get near the end to get rid of most of the remaining residue. Then I take a piece of toilet paper and wrap it around both sides of the tail, squeeze and pull the tail all the way through to get rid of about anything that is left after that. FinallyI put a pink clip up at the top of the tail and take a squeeze bottle of water (an empty toilet bowl cleaning water works good at home and a small empty hand lotion bottle fits in my pocket when I travel) and squeeze a stream of water up the tail to the point where it is clipped. I dab off the water with a piece of toilet paper and then put the second clip on at the end of the pouch tail. It may sound complicated, but it actually just takes seconds and it works for me. Beside, that way I wind up double clipping my pouch, which gives me an added measure of assurance.
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Actually34 wrote: > After I empty my drainable pouch, I run two fingers down either side until I > get near the end to get rid of most of the remaining residue. Then I take a > piece of toilet paper and wrap it around both sides of the tail, squeeze and > pull the tail all the way through to get rid of about anything that is left > after that. FinallyI put a pink clip up at the top of the tail and take a > squeeze bottle of water (an empty toilet bowl cleaning water works good at home > and a small empty hand lotion bottle fits in my pocket when I travel) and > squeeze a stream of water up the tail to the point where it is clipped.
I have found that a standard nasal spray bottle is perfect for the "tail rinser". You just have to remove the little "spray" thingy from inside them first. The flat bottle fits nicely into a pocket, and you can add some M5 drops to the water in it for extra odour control as well. ;-Deano
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this is what i do … first, always burp your bag before you empty. the less gas, the less chance of getting dirty. second, i hold the bag open end up and let the output kinda settle back into the bag. third, i cuff, put the open end down to the toilet and empty by squeezing the bag from the top down. fourth, i pick the open end back up again, the squeeze whatever output is left back into the bag, uncuff and clean with tp. sounds complicated, takes but a minute and i rarely end up having "shitty" hands. geez, i need to get a video camera so i can actually show people how i do this. that’d be one for the kinky sites, eh? >Thanks for asking the question, Gene. I am very much new to this whole bag >thing and I am struggling myself. I somehow manage to get shit on myself >every time I drain. I’ve always done the cuff thing but that seems to be >when I get into the most trouble. Is this a step some people skip? I guess >the tongue depressor idea would do although it seems involved and also >potentially messy. Please keep the suggestions coming in as I really hope to >avoid the mess but I’m beginning to think it is just wishful thinking. >Otherwise, I need a good hand moisturizer as my hands are drying out with >the very frequent washings. >Help!
Lauren! (take out the "nojunk" to reply) beer drinking, sax playing, baseball junkie on a rampage … beware!
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Lauren-n-n-n-n wrote: > this is what i do … > first, always burp your bag before you empty. the less gas, the less chance of > getting dirty. second, i hold the bag open end up and let the output kinda > settle back into the bag. third, i cuff, put the open end down to the toilet
There must be a lot of people in this NG who either have MUCH more flexible bags than I wear. Or they have a heck of a lot better manual dexterity than I can muster. The few times I even made an attempt at cuffing, the bag split down either side. Just gotta have the knack, methinks. ;-Deano
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Who makes your bags? I use convatec and have no problem with doing like they said squeezing everything out of it and then just wipe the end of the flap with tp. put on the clip and then wipe it again. I have no problem and I have been doing this ever since I had my operation in 1998
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My age is showing again: In the "old days", we had disposable post-op pouches that were the same width from top to bottom…4 inches give or take….a real mess to clean….they were turned up 2 or 3 times, fan pleated and a rubber band to secure it…we cuffed them to make cleaning easier as you can see. 6 to 8 weeks post-op, you were fitted with what was called "permanent" or "re-usable" pouches…rubber ones with the narrower opening… When the disposable pouches came along with the narrower openings the technique of cuffing surfaced again…
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good way to break up those long, boring, post-lunch meetings. whew..who had the taco supreme??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hozhed wrote in message <19980928121446.20883.00005…@ng90.aol.com>… >>Maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t really understand the need for >>a >>valve, OH, it just dawned on me, you must be using closed end pouches. >Or one-piece system. 2-piece systems allow you to ‘burp’ them much like >tupperware.. >//Bob
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On 26 Sep 1998 01:02:51 GMT, chi…@aol.com (CHICOM) wrote: >My husband Fred, after 30 years of colitis , had his operation last week. He >is interested in reusable pouches with a relief valve. Gas is a problem. >Wondered of there is any work on a manual or pressure release valve. he is an >enginer=er and we have a number of friends who would like to help him >create/invent and develop something to help with this problem. If a good >solution is already on the market he would like to purchase same. >Any one have any contacts in a plastic injection molding or contacts within >related valves?
ConvaTec has a new range called "Nutra" with a filter in the pouch. Regards John p Hind Sight is 20/20 Vision
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Hi, Maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t really understand the need for a valve, OH, it just dawned on me, you must be using closed end pouches. I use the open end pouches and when the need arises to "deflate" it I just open the end and let the air out, simple as that. Also, you need to be aware that the gas problem will subside a lot in the weeks to come. It is always much more right after surgery. Have a good one, Joy
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>Maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t really understand the need for >a >valve, OH, it just dawned on me, you must be using closed end pouches.
Or one-piece system. 2-piece systems allow you to ‘burp’ them much like tupperware.. //Bob
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My husband Fred, after 30 years of colitis , had his operation last week. He is interested in reusable pouches with a relief valve. Gas is a problem. Wondered of there is any work on a manual or pressure release valve. he is an enginer=er and we have a number of friends who would like to help him create/invent and develop something to help with this problem. If a good solution is already on the market he would like to purchase same. Any one have any contacts in a plastic injection molding or contacts within related valves?
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On 26 Sep 1998 01:02:51 GMT, chi…@aol.com (CHICOM) wrote: >My husband Fred, after 30 years of colitis , had his operation last week. He >is interested in reusable pouches with a relief valve. Gas is a problem. >Wondered of there is any work on a manual or pressure release valve. he is an >enginer=er and we have a number of friends who would like to help him >create/invent and develop something to help with this problem. If a good >solution is already on the market he would like to purchase same. >Any one have any contacts in a plastic injection molding or contacts within >related valves?
************ There may be something like that out there,don’t know. I use a plastic molded convex appliance ring (last’s forever) with disposable bags. I have at time’s stuck a pin hole in the disposable bag to let air out and just cover it with a piece of tape to seal it again. Denny.
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I’m pretty sure that either or both Hollister of Convatec makes pouches with relief valves-suggsest you call around and get some catalogs. UOA site has list of manufacturers. I don’t think you need to go sticking holes in your appliance! Good luck. Stan.
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Denny, I would appreciate any info you can supply me with in regards to the plastic convex appliance ring with disposable ring. How may I purchase it. Bruce ABSun…@AOL.com
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Thanks for your reponse We have the two catalogs Bruce Medical provided them Unfortunately they do not have exactly what we are looking for. But we will keep looking If we find it we will do a posting Any additional ideas out there Chicom
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HOLD ONTO YOUR POUCHES! You don’t need to change to another brand for releasing gas from the pouch! Its advertised in the Ostomy Quarterly as a vent that snaps onto ANY pouch. Its called the Osto-Ez-Vent and the # is 1-888-562-8802. You get 10 to a pkg. @ $12.95. Their address is KEM Enterprises, Inc., 1637 Pontiac, S. E., Grand Rapids, MI 49506-3324 I saw their booth at the Ostomy Convention and it really does just snap onto any pouching system. I hope this info is what you are looking for. Susan R.
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