Categories: Stoma

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thank you everyone for the info, i have used the M9 drops but not recently.  i’ll give it another couple of days then make an appointment with one of my doctors, thanks again for the advice.

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My stoma has a weird color, at least in my opinion, it kinda looks like it has a puplish tinge to it, kinda like a bruise.  My 1 year old son bumps it a lot.  Could it be that there is something wrong or what?  I’ve seen my doctor cuz i was feeling tired  and he’s running tests to see if my crohn’s has come back but i thought maybe i could pick your brains about the color. Thanks TJ

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"tjb" wrote, >My stoma has a weird color, at least in my opinion, it kinda looks like it >has a puplish tinge to it, kinda like a bruise.  My 1 year old son bumps >it a lot.  Could it be that there is something wrong or what?  I’ve seen >my doctor cuz i was feeling tired  and he’s running tests to see if my >crohn’s has come back but i thought maybe i could pick your brains about >the color. >Thanks >TJ

Did you eat something that was purple? I would wait a day or so to see if it is okay, usually it goes back to red.

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If the stoma continues to darken or does not go back to at least a liver color than you need to see the doctor immediately.  This could be a sign of restricted blood flow to the stoma. Paul "tjb" <teril…@telus.net> wrote in message

news:1006ee26fd9c7ac53982d8b7f50935a6@localhost.talkaboutsupport.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> My stoma has a weird color, at least in my opinion, it kinda looks like it > has a puplish tinge to it, kinda like a bruise.  My 1 year old son bumps > it a lot.  Could it be that there is something wrong or what?  I’ve seen > my doctor cuz i was feeling tired  and he’s running tests to see if my > crohn’s has come back but i thought maybe i could pick your brains about > the color. > Thanks > TJ

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Hi TJ, If you have used M9 deodorizer drops in your pouch and the blue liquid gets on your stoma it will turn purple.   This happened to me and I thought  something really bad was happening until we figured out that was what it was!   The M9 drops do not do any damage to the stoma, they just stain it. Have a good one, Joy

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Categories: Ostomates

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I must not be doing this right with the Eakin Seal.  I even had an ET nurse put one on me last time she came. My problem is that the seal adds some height underneath the flange and creats a small "tent" effect, such that the flange doesn’t sit completely flush on my skin  (just after the outer edge of the Eakin).  Usually within a day, my flange lifts from the outside right upto the Eakin.  I should mention that I can not use tape, so I use the New Image Series also. My next idea is to try the Eakin again, however this time I am going to cut the thing down to less than half its size ( giving the flange a greater surface to stick to ). "Lauren-n-n-n-n" <saxc…@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message

news:20030604210659.06805.00000635@mb-m19.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> >Do Eakins seals work with Hollister products or is this a different line? > i use eakin seals with hollister new image 2 pieces and i don’t have any > problems.  you can use eakin seals with anything, even tho they’re distrubuted > by convatec. > Lauren! > (take out the "nojunk" to reply) > beer drinking, sax playing, baseball junkie on a rampage … beware!

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i use half a small eakin seal.  i roll it in a little snake, then flatten it out a little around the hole of my appliance.  after i put the bag on, i lay down and hold my hand over my stoma for a few minutes to warm up the eakin seal and have it melt down nicely. give that a try. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->I must not be doing this right with the Eakin Seal.  I even had an ET nurse >put one on me last time she came. >My problem is that the seal adds some height underneath the flange and >creats a small "tent" effect, such that the flange doesn’t sit completely >flush on my skin  (just after the outer edge of the Eakin).  Usually within >a day, my flange lifts from the outside right upto the Eakin.  I should >mention that I can not use tape, so I use the New Image Series also. >My next idea is to try the Eakin again, however this time I am going to cut >the thing down to less than half its size ( giving the flange a greater >surface to stick to ). >"Lauren-n-n-n-n" <saxc…@aol.comnojunk> wrote in message >news:20030604210659.06805.00000635@mb-m19.aol.com… >> >Do Eakins seals work with Hollister products or is this a different line? >> i use eakin seals with hollister new image 2 pieces and i don’t have any >> problems.  you can use eakin seals with anything, even tho they’re >distrubuted >> by convatec. >> Lauren! >> (take out the "nojunk" to reply) >> beer drinking, sax playing, baseball junkie on a rampage … beware!

Lauren! (take out the "nojunk" to reply) beer drinking, sax playing, baseball junkie on a rampage … beware!

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That is exactly what I do and have been doing it this way for about a year.

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Yes, try using just half of a small Eakin Seal instead of the whole seal. I put the seal on in a flattened ring around my stoma, pretty snug to the stoma. Then I put the wafer on (you might want to try a wafer with convexivity). I heat everything with a hairblower to warm it up. When I put the wafer on, I press it very snugly to my abdoment and hold it firmly for about 60 seconds. I also wear a NuHope elastic belt which has a hole in it big enough to fit around the flange of my appliance, which presses everything snugly to my abdomen for about about 30 minutes after changing. I have no problems, and I, too, don’t use tape.

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If you use a belt that attaches to the flange or one of the hernia wide belts the flange will not lift. Rob DARKCITY wrote: > I must not be doing this right with the Eakin Seal.  I even had an ET nurse > put one on me last time she came. > My problem is that the seal adds some height underneath the flange and > creats a small "tent" effect, such that the flange doesn’t sit completely > flush on my skin  (just after the outer edge of the Eakin).  Usually within > a day, my flange lifts from the outside right upto the Eakin.  I should > mention that I can not use tape, so I use the New Image Series also. > My next idea is to try the Eakin again, however this time I am going to cut > the thing down to less than half its size ( giving the flange a greater > surface to stick to ).

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Hi, Looking for some advice about being in the heat and keeping my flange from melting.  We are leaving next week for Disney World with the kids.  I have had my ileostomy for 15 years and still struggle with the summer thing. I have found when it is hot and we are out and about for the whole day in the heat my flange melts.  I was wondering who out there can give me some help.  I have picked up so many great ideas from this group.  I was also wondering if anybody had any tips on feeling comfortable while wearing a bathing suit and swimming.  Especially those water parks. Even though I am old hat at this ostomy thing, I am always open to new ideas. . Please feel free to e-mail me as well as post to the group. Thanks, Lori CD class of 1980

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I lived in the Tampa area when I had my Ileo operation and was introduced to the Eakin Seals which I use all of the time and found that they held up under the Florida heat. I lived there year round so was exposed to the summer and had no problems when I used the Eakin Seals.

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Do Eakins seals work with Hollister products or is this a different line?  I’m new to this and now that it has gotten warmer, the Hollister seals are only lasting about two days.  Is this normal?  thanks

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My sister is also an Ileo. When she lived in Arizona, she used to drape a washcloth on her underwear, hanging in front of her pouch. She always said it would keep the blazing heat of the sun off her flange, especially when the Arizona sun would be mercilessly coming in thru the car windshield. Best— Ron We don’t get that much blazing sun here in Chicago. We build up flange heat while running away from muggers  <grin> I gotta "good" sense of "Hoooomer" LPlung <lpl…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20030603235631.15024.00000392@mb-m14.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi, > Looking for some advice about being in the heat and keeping my flange from > melting.  We are leaving next week for Disney World with the kids.  I have had > my ileostomy for 15 years and still struggle with the summer thing. > I have found when it is hot and we are out and about for the whole day in the > heat my flange melts.  I was wondering who out there can give me some help.  I > have picked up so many great ideas from this group.  I was also wondering if > anybody had any tips on feeling comfortable while wearing a bathing suit and > swimming.  Especially those water parks. > Even though I am old hat at this ostomy thing, I am always open to new ideas. . > Please feel free to e-mail me as well as post to the group. > Thanks, > Lori > CD class of 1980

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>Do Eakins seals work with Hollister products or is this a different line?

i use eakin seals with hollister new image 2 pieces and i don’t have any problems.  you can use eakin seals with anything, even tho they’re distrubuted by convatec. Lauren! (take out the "nojunk" to reply) beer drinking, sax playing, baseball junkie on a rampage … beware!

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I, too, often vacation in Florida in the summer. It will help to wear light colored clothing — pants, shorts, skirts, etc. They don’t absorb nearly as much heat from sunlight. When I go swimming, or when I am in a situation where I want to make doubly certain I don’t have problems with a leak, I wear a Nu-Hope elastic belt. It is a belt designed for ostomates with hernias, but can be very useful even for people without hernias.The belt is wider than a wafer, with a hole in it that is sized to fit the flange on the wafer. It presses the wafer firmly against the abdomen, ensuring a tight seal. Although I don’t have a hernia, I use the belt when swimming to ensure I don’t get a leak. Nu-Hope sells both cotton and quick drying mesh version of the belt. I also heard of one person who paints his wafer with Skin Bond and successfully went in hot tubs. Enjoy Disney World. Be sure to drink plenty of liquids so you don’t get dehydrated.

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Been off the computer for over a week (away) and just saw this.  I hope that I can give some folks worried about the heat some assurance. First, I have lived all over Florida in the last 32 years ( Orlando – -> Port Charlotte (SW coast) – - > Bradenton – - > Tallahassee – - > and now Pensacola.  In this 32 years I have NEVER acclimatized to the heat and if I do anything outdoors even remotely strenuous, I perspire like a racehorse.  I have used both Convatec and now am using Hollister, and I routinely get from 7 to 9 days wear out of a wafer with very few mishaps.  Maybe I’m just lucky, but my skin gets somewhat oily when I perspire, and I still have very few problems with my appliance.  I wish I could export some of this to those who experience difficulty keeping ostomy gear in place in the heat, but as we all know, our individual bodies dictate what happens.  Eakin seals are a good solution though even these give some folks problems when they breakdown and gum up the pouches, or if the problem is severe enough, think of using a medical adhesive spray that Hollister sells.  I think that stuff works under water. — PcolaPhil "Even if you are on the right track you will get run over if you just sit there,"                           —Will Rogers "Actually34" <actuall…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20030608122030.23582.00000245@mb-m10.aol.com… | I, too, often vacation in Florida in the summer. | | It will help to wear light colored clothing — pants, shorts, skirts, etc. They | don’t absorb nearly as much heat from sunlight. | | When I go swimming, or when I am in a situation where I want to make doubly | certain I don’t have problems with a leak, I wear a Nu-Hope elastic belt. | | It is a belt designed for ostomates with hernias, but can be very useful even | for people without hernias.The belt is wider than a wafer, with a hole in it | that is sized to fit the flange on the wafer. It presses the wafer firmly | against the abdomen, ensuring a tight seal. | | Although I don’t have a hernia, I use the belt when swimming to ensure I don’t | get a leak. Nu-Hope sells both cotton and quick drying mesh version of the | belt. | | I also heard of one person who paints his wafer with Skin Bond and successfully | went in hot tubs. | | Enjoy Disney World. Be sure to drink plenty of liquids so you don’t get | dehydrated. | | | | |

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Categories: Ostomy

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I checked it, and I think it is Larry’s site at Evansville—(spelling) and should be http— Hope this helps– http://www.ostomy.evansville.net/menunews.htm Thanks for the good info—- Best— Ron >htt://www.ostomy.eveansville.net/menunews.htm and go down > to bottom and look comparing notes get on that and find kids >that have

the same the thing.<

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Hi, I’m posting to see if there’s any additional support I can give to my daughters. I was found to have FAP 18 mths ago at age 38. I had all the ops and get on fine with everything. My 2 daughters aged 8 and 12 have just had the results of their genetic tests and both have the fault. I was wondering if anyone’s children of a similar age (particularly the elder one) in a similar situation, would be prepared to communicate with her to help her talk about things? We like in England but that’s not particularly relevant to this request. Thanks in advance, Bryan

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> I was found to have FAP 18 mths ago at age 38.

What is FAP? Russ

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Familial Adenomatous Polyposis http://www.polyposisregistry.org.uk/FAPintro

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"Bryan" <br…@bsarll.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message <news:ahpr2n$a64$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>… > Hi, I’m posting to see if there’s any additional support I can give to my > daughters. > I was found to have FAP 18 mths ago at age 38. I had all the ops and get on > fine with everything. My 2 daughters aged 8 and 12 have just had the results > of their genetic tests and both have the fault. > I was wondering if anyone’s children of a similar age (particularly the > elder one) in a similar situation, would be prepared to communicate with her > to help her talk about things? We like in England but that’s not > particularly relevant to this request. > Thanks in advance, > Bryan

I have the same diease you have but my daughter is adopted.  I have a place for you to go to htt://www.ostomy.eveansville.net/menunews.htm and go down to bottom and look comparing notes get on that and find kids that have the same the thing.

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Categories: lIleostomy

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  Every time I have experienced a blockage of any kind with my ileostomy, I have gotten relief from having an IV when in the hospital. What is it that the IV does that provides such relief?? It would be so much cheaper, simpler, and faster, if I could just go to a clinic when needed and get an IV without the hassles of dealing with an ER.                                 ;-Deano

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Dean Dancey <d…@sympatico.ca> wrote: >  Every time I have experienced a blockage of any kind with my >ileostomy, I have gotten relief from having an IV when in the hospital. >What is it that the IV does that provides such relief?? It would be so >much cheaper, simpler, and faster, if I could just go to a clinic when >needed and get an IV without the hassles of dealing with an ER. >                            ;-Deano

If you are only receiving fluids and no medications, and still finding relief, perhaps it is pointing to dehydration as a part of the problem.  Now, whether that dehydrated state is a cause, or an effect, is something for you and your doctor to figure out.  In the meantime, I would drink plenty of fluids (and be wary of those that have a diuretic effect). Be well! KarenF (I)

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Could you ask what they put in your IV?  It could be a painkiller similar to Demoral.  This would relax your system and contribute toward blockage relief. Btw, you may be able to remove the blockage at home – cheaper yet!  Clinics around here clear an ileostomy blockage by irrigating with a "Fleet Enema", available in drug stores here.  If you have to use one, save the bottle it comes in and you will probably be able to clear later blockages with warm water.  Works best while lying down (probably in the bathtub for when it breaks loose), rather than standing in the shower or sitting on the john.  Some take Demoral to relieve the intense pain.  Demoral may also help to relax the muscles which, in turn, may help to dislodge the blockage.  Getting in a pool or lying down in a tub of warm water to equalize the pressure has also been recommended as a way to relax the muscles. Earl – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Dean Dancey wrote: >   Every time I have experienced a blockage of any kind with my > ileostomy, I have gotten relief from having an IV when in the hospital. > What is it that the IV does that provides such relief?? It would be so > much cheaper, simpler, and faster, if I could just go to a clinic when > needed and get an IV without the hassles of dealing with an ER. >                                 ;-Deano

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Earl wrote: > Could you ask what they put in your IV?  It could be a > painkiller similar to Demoral.  This would relax your > system and contribute toward blockage relief. > Btw, you may be able to remove the blockage at home – > cheaper > yet!  Clinics around here clear an ileostomy blockage by > irrigating with a "Fleet Enema", available in drug stores > here.  If you have to use one, save the bottle it comes in > and you will probably be able to clear later blockages > with warm water.  Works best while lying down (probably in > the bathtub for when it breaks loose), rather than standing > in the shower or sitting on the john.  Some take Demoral > to relieve the intense pain.  Demoral may also help to > relax the muscles which, in turn, may help to dislodge the > blockage.  Getting in a pool or lying down in a tub of warm > water to equalize the pressure has also been recommended > as a way to relax the muscles. > Earl > Dean Dancey wrote: > >   Every time I have experienced a blockage of any kind with my > > ileostomy, I have gotten relief from having an IV when in the hospital. > > What is it that the IV does that provides such relief?? It would be so > > much cheaper, simpler, and faster, if I could just go to a clinic when > > needed and get an IV without the hassles of dealing with an ER. > >                                 ;-Deano

The IV they gave me this time was saline, Gravol, and morphine.  I have had the same with Demerol before.  I have tried the fleet enemas, but they usually have little or no effect on me when it gets that bad. I once had a blockage that was related to a bad bout of pancreatitis, and it took two days of IV fluids and painkillers to get everything moving again.  The enemas are also very hard as I have nerve damage in my hands from work and diabetes.  Not a  good grip or fine motor control either ;-P   Thanks for the info. ;-Deano

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Categories: Convatec

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I am not a spokesperson for, nor an employee of, NuHope Laboratories. However I recently purchased a NuHope Support Belt and have found it to be one of the better moves that I have made since becoming an ostomate.     I’ve had the belt for roughly six weeks.  In addition to helping support my hernia, it has improved wear time for my wafer.  I used to get about three or four days from a wafer and now get a week with no problem.  The belt holds the wafer securely in place so that there is now no leakage (I do also use an Eakin seal with a convex wafer) and eases the strain from the hernia when I lift things that I know I shouldn’t.  Another fringe benefit is that Medicare picked up a good share of the cost of the belt.     Just a thought for those having hernia problems.        Gene B.

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Gene Beckman wrote: > I am not a spokesperson for, nor an employee of, NuHope Laboratories. > However I recently purchased a NuHope Support Belt and have found it to be > one of the better moves that I have made since becoming an ostomate. >     I’ve had the belt for roughly six weeks.  In addition to helping support > my hernia, it has improved wear time for my wafer.  

  Great to hear you found a solution, Gene.  I am in very much of a similar stitimatation.  I had been happily using the Convatec Natura Durahesive appliance for the past several years, and I was getting a full, solid week’s wear out of each flange.  Then my hernia got progressively worse, and I was getting only a few days wear out of each flange.  I ended up in an ER when I went through a two month’s supply of flanges that would no longer work. I found that I DID need a larger appliance, but it failed even faster due to the bulge from the hernia. I am now using the Hollister "floating" flange appliance in the extended wear version. While I do admit it IS much more comfortable having the pressure around stoma and hernia taken away, I do not really like the Hollister level of quality. I find that the bags actually wear out just from the clips they provide!    So, I would appreciate some more info from you: What appliance were you wearing before, and are you still using it with the belt? Do you find that the belt has limits to how long you can wear it at one time, or do you keep it on all day?  Do you find it comfortable when wearing it and do you think it would cause probs in warm weather?? When you DO remove the belt, do you find some "relief" that you might sometimes just want to NOT wear it? (this would be my downfall, if it was sometime easier to NOT wear an expensive device) What version of the belt do you have? There are, I believe, two different weave types. How well has it held up in the time you have had it, and do you think you might need to have more than one for regular use??  Lastly, do you find that the belt now allows you to wear clothing that you could not wear before?? I had to resort to a DRASTIC wardrobe change. NOT easy for us guys, eh??    Sorry for the long-winded grilling, but I need to know if the belt would be a better, permanent solution for me. And then I could go back to the less bulky Convatec flanges.  Thanks muchly in advance.                         ;-Deano

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I second your endorsement. I don’t have a hernia, but have found the Nu-Hope belt very worthwhile anyway.  I use it after changing my appliance to get a good initial seal, or, if I get a very slight leak and don’t want to immediately change my appliance. I also use it when swimming as added insurance against a leak..

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Dean–I was, and still am, using the Convatec two piece appliance with convexity.  I leave the belt on from immediately after getting up in the morning until bedtime.  I bought the "Cool Comfort" version which probably "breathes" more than the regular one.  I have not felt the need to have a second one as a backup since I have found that it can be washed in warm, soapy water (by hand).  The "poop sheet" (no pun intended) that came with it says to air dry it after washing.  I did not make any wardrobe adjustments with the belt but, since it does hold the gut in place, it would be possible to wear slim and trim clothing except for the fact that I weigh 260 pounds (6′0") so slim and trim is not really my description.  Mine is 6" wide and is quite comfortable to wear all day, although one day I goofed with the velcro fastening and got part of the velcro against my skin, which resulted in a spot that bled slightly–not a big deal but sore for a day or two.  If the occasion arises for a shower during the day, I take it off and then put it right back on after toweling.     Hope this helps you make a decision.  As I said, I am not a spokesperson for NuHope Labs but do feel that have a good product here.        Gene B

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Gene Beckman wrote: > Dean–I was, and still am, using the Convatec two piece appliance with > convexity.  I leave the belt on from immediately after getting up in > is quite comfortable to wear all day, although one day I goofed with the > velcro fastening and got part of the velcro against my skin, which resulted > in a spot that bled slightly–not a big deal but sore for a day or two.  If > the occasion arises for a shower during the day, I take it off and then put > it right back on after toweling. >     Hope this helps you make a decision.  As I said, I am not a spokesperson > for NuHope Labs but do feel that have a good product here.        Gene B

Thanks, Gene. I really needed that input.  ;-Deano

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I request a kit for measuring and am getting a different one from last time. It also showed how to cut it to support the hernia like I have so I clipped my old belt and think I like the support. I agree that when you have a large hernia you will  be much more comfortable! Cherri

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Deano: On the fabric type, I have the mesh fabric belt. Since I’ve never tried the cotton fabric, I can’t compare the two. The mesh is reasonably comfortable, but it wears like iron, cleans easily and is probably cooler than the cotton.

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Categories: Ostomates

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Hi all….looking desperately now for any help or suggestions…. I just had a second surgery to make my Ileostomy permanent (and had my anus removed) and am having a hell of a time with the appliances. My wound is quite large around the stoma, and I know this will eventuall close in (i did while I had the temporary tube) but right now it is so big that my appliance just will NOT stick to the skin no matter what I try. I just went through THREE appliance changes in about an hour trying to get it to stay put! I am mentally drained and really starting to regret my decision. My ET nurse gave me about 10 2.5" flange/bag appliances and I had about 7 4" flange/bag appliances at home (going through them fast). The smaller ones are completely useless as the area to "cut" around the stoma is far too small to fit over my entire wound. And to make it even worse, my wound is on the curve of the belly where if you’re sitting or standing it’s pulling or gaping (allowing stool to tunnel out underneath). WHAT CAN I DO??????? HELP!!?!?!?!?!

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Hi Rob, I’m sorry to hear you’re having such a h_ll of a time!  First of all, I suggest you call your ET and see if s/he can help.  You shouldn’t be left to figure this out on your own – call now and see if s/he can help.  If you fail to get any satisfaction from your ET, there are some things out there that you can try.  If the wound is just a little oozy, Eakin seals might work.  There are also dressings that are like "second skins" that you could cut out and put on the wound part.  I don’t know the name of them but they are used on people with bedsores. Your medical supply store should know. Please let us know what you do and what works! ~~~~Pat <RobMcCart…@webtv.net wrote  > Hi all….looking desperately now for any help or suggestions…. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I just had a second surgery to make my Ileostomy permanent (and had my > anus removed) and am having a hell of a time with the appliances. My > wound is quite large around the stoma, and I know this will eventuall > close in (i did while I had the temporary tube) but right now it is so > big that my appliance just will NOT stick to the skin no matter what I > try. I just went through THREE appliance changes in about an hour trying > to get it to stay put! > I am mentally drained and really starting to regret my decision. > My ET nurse gave me about 10 2.5" flange/bag appliances and I had about > 7 4" flange/bag appliances at home (going through them fast). > The smaller ones are completely useless as the area to "cut" around the > stoma is far too small to fit over my entire wound. > And to make it even worse, my wound is on the curve of the belly where > if you’re sitting or standing it’s pulling or gaping (allowing stool to > tunnel out underneath). > WHAT CAN I DO??????? > HELP!!?!?!?!?!

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Right first thing is to contact your supplier and get a supply of "surgery bags" for some reason the ones they use in theatre are larger than the standard bags, but you should be able to get a supply of them. Secondly use Orahesive Powder or Karaya Powder to speed up the healing of the wound Thirdly consider Eakin seals or stoma paste to help seal the flange And lastly apply the flange whilst either stood or sat up so the pulling you describe is taking place at the time of fitting so the flange will mould to this shape and cope easier during the day Mark <RobMcCart…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:12995-3AB8E9DB-16@storefull-248.iap.bryant.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all….looking desperately now for any help or suggestions…. > I just had a second surgery to make my Ileostomy permanent (and had my > anus removed) and am having a hell of a time with the appliances. My > wound is quite large around the stoma, and I know this will eventuall > close in (i did while I had the temporary tube) but right now it is so > big that my appliance just will NOT stick to the skin no matter what I > try. I just went through THREE appliance changes in about an hour trying > to get it to stay put! > I am mentally drained and really starting to regret my decision. > My ET nurse gave me about 10 2.5" flange/bag appliances and I had about > 7 4" flange/bag appliances at home (going through them fast). > The smaller ones are completely useless as the area to "cut" around the > stoma is far too small to fit over my entire wound. > And to make it even worse, my wound is on the curve of the belly where > if you’re sitting or standing it’s pulling or gaping (allowing stool to > tunnel out underneath). > WHAT CAN I DO??????? > HELP!!?!?!?!?!

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Howdi Rob, I’ve had an ileo since 1971, at the age of 21. During this time, I’ve incurred numerous problems with my wafer, pouch. I notice that when I gain weight, my stoma becomes larger in size and it was recommended to me by my ET to try and cut a "turtleneck" in the opening of the wafer. Cut your normal sized opening and the all the way around the cut opening make little snips. I have noticed that this not only accommodates a larger stoma but keeps drainage from contacting the skin alot less. So much of soping is physical and mental. Sometimes I think that fellow ostomates can offer more beneficial info than the ET, no disrespect.

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Have you tried Duoderm extra thin dressing? You cut patch a little bigger than the wound area from the dressing sheet and put it over the wound. Then put the wafter on (preferably with an Eakin seal underneath). I had pydoderma, which caused bad wounds in my peristomal area. Duoderm helped greatly, and I wish I had known about Eakin seals. I also urge using a wafer with convexity, and Nu-Hope makes very wide hernia belts with a hole in them big enough for the collar on the pouch to fit through them that might also help keep the wafer plastered to your abdomen. And, if you haven’t seen a dermatologist, it might be a wise investment. They often know some good techniques.

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Hi all, I want to thank you for the great sugestions and websites. Here’s what’s happened…… I went and saw my ET nurse yesterday and after a thorough cleaning and new appliance, she gave me a belt (compatible with Hollister pouches) and so far it seems to do the trick. She put on a new "convex" appliance and with the belt it is holding tight. So far so good, except that last night my "clip" opened creating such a mess…:-( Thank goodness it’s supposed to go up to 58* today, I HAVE to air my place out now, it reeks in here! Once again, thanks for the posts and individual emails, I appreciate all the input. It’s helping to calm me, though I’m still quite a mess emotionally from the last few days of messing……

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Well…this isn’t very encouraging. Hope you’re getting a handle on things. Susan

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A good,properly applied clip should not open until you wish it to. what is a discription of your clip,what color.

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when you put your clip on you have to hear it click when it closes, I have had a mishap or two with these too, and that is the secret. carol

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LOL Susan!!!  That’s because nobody posts when everything is fine.  If we all posted each day when nothing goes wrong, it would get pretty boring around here.  Here you go: I changed both of my appliances yesterday and nothing happened.  No pee or poop spouted forth to hinder me.  I went to bed last night and slept all night – no pouch failures or pop-offs or messes of any kind.  I went to the dentist this morning and although my colostomy has been noisy, it was good at the dentist and never made a peep. Yes – we all have bad experiences with our ostomies but they usually don’t happen very often.  But you’re gonna hear the bad experiences here and hopefully they will help you cope when you experience one.  It sounds to me (and I could be totally wrong) that even though your doctor says you need an ostomy, you aren’t ready for it yet.  Good luck, Susan. ~~~~Pat – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->"bch m8" wrote > Well…this isn’t very encouraging. > Hope you’re getting a handle on things. > Susan

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>Well…this isn’t very encouraging. >Hope you’re getting a handle on things. >Susan

If you mean mentally..? Not really….still VERY paranoid that the appliance will leak again. My ET nurse suggested eating "thicker" foods like peanut butter, apple sauce and rice……I did, but now the pressure is building! I "pop" quite often…. There seems no happy medium just yet……sigh I know it iwll get better as my wound heals in, but for now I’m going crazy……… Rob

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If you get encounter a defective appliance or experience an adverse event you can contact your supplier and ET if you want sympathy. Or, you can complain to the manufacturer about poor quality and be ignored. Send your complaint to the FDA. Make sure you include the manufacturer’s name and address, brand name and type of device, all numbers on the package and a description of your problem. Also send a copy to the manufacturer. Inundate the FDA with legitimate complaints and they may investigate. FDA address: MedWatch FDA Medical Products Reporting Program Food and Drug Administration 5800 Fishers Lane Rockville, MD 20852-9787 You might ask them to acknowledge receipt of the complaint.

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Rob: Very early on, I had a clip failure (or I should say a failure on my part to fully close the clip) early on in my experience as an ostomate at a very inopportune moment. Ever since then I’ve double-clipped my pouch.  I use Convatec pouches, which have a long tail and room for two clips. I use Convatec’s small, Active Life clips. I’ve never had that problem in the three years since that one accident. Nor, do I worry about it happening.

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Hi Rob, have you tried burning scented candles in the bathroom?  I do this, not each and every time I empty but enough to keep the odor down and the candles are pleasant.  I always burn the candle when I am changing my appliance. Harry <RobMcCart…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:8188-3ABB68BD-184@storefull-241.iap.bryant.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi all, I want to thank you for the great sugestions and websites. > Here’s what’s happened…… > I went and saw my ET nurse yesterday and after a thorough cleaning and > new appliance, she gave me a belt (compatible with Hollister pouches) > and so far it seems to do the trick. > She put on a new "convex" appliance and with the belt it is holding > tight. > So far so good, except that last night my "clip" opened creating such a > mess…:-( > Thank goodness it’s supposed to go up to 58* today, I HAVE to air my > place out now, it reeks in here! > Once again, thanks for the posts and individual emails, I appreciate all > the input. It’s helping to calm me, though I’m still quite a mess > emotionally from the last few days of messing……

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>Hi Rob, have you tried burning scented candles in the bathroom?  I do this,

it also makes for a lovey ambience.  kinda romantic. :) >not each and every time I empty but enough to keep the odor down and the >candles are pleasant.  I always burn the candle when I am changing my >appliance. >Harry

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But doesn’t it increase the possibility of a devastating xplosion???  

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I wonder if Tai >Chi may help.

Tai Chi is great! I need to get back to it myself. I was doing Tae Kwon Do, but I messed up my knee (possibly because I was "protecting" my feet). Tai Chi really strengthens knees, but until I get used to it I will feel like its killing them!  Regarding the "book exercise", not only do my wrists and fingers get a workout, but my butt as well! I’m afraid its as "developed" as it needs to be — I need to work on "underdeveloping" it for a while!!!!  ;>) Ray G. Murray, KY r…@cablecomm-ky.net

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Hi My stomachs firm since I do ab toning – but it still sticks out more than it did – I guess the shape will always be different after 3 abdominal ops Your family doc might have ideas – but take it easy as I did pull a muscle and stoma hurt for a while.. good luck candy ever I am comfortable doing? I really need – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->specific things to do? Does anyone know of a web site that shows a >fitness program past abdominal surgery? Or just advice? I always had a >flat toned tummy before and am quite distrought. Cherrilynne

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My wife pointed at my belly the other day and said "post-surgery belly" (she’s a Registered Nurse).  I also would like to trim mine, and have been thinking in terms of goinf to a gym, or getting a book with tummy exercises.  I too would be interested in any web sites same as Cherrilynne. Romane Cherri Mathews <twmath…@innw.net> wrote in article <3717EBE2.743CB…@innw.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I had my colostomy done in Dec and another abscess/ abd surgery in late > Januarry. My Tummy muscles are shot and it protrudes out like I’m 7 > months pregnant. I asked my surgeon about excerxises to strenthen and > flatten and he said what ever I am comfortable doing? I really need > specific things to do? Does anyone know of a web site that shows a > fitness program past abdominal surgery? Or just advice? I always had a > flat toned tummy before and am quite distrought. Cherrilynne

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or getting a book with tummy >exercises.

Romane, I hate to admit to it, but that’s the kind of exercise I usually get also. I get a book and read all about it!  ;>) Maybe that’s why I am about 25 pounds over my previously heaviest weight!  Seriously, I have a Morton’s Neuroma on each foot, and am getting ready to have the worst of them "fixed". Hopefully, after surgery I’ll feel more like walking. Right now, I only go a couple hundred yards before my foot screams for relief! Ray G. Murray, KY r…@cablecomm-ky.net

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Hope the fixes work well for you – I would be lost now not being able to get into the yard and work. Ok, I think I have the same problem with books on exercise – great for the wrists and fingers, definately no excess weight there :) .  I wonder if Tai Chi may help.  I used to do it years ago, and it really does exercise just about all of the body, albeit slowly.  Once I get rid of the post-surgery belly …. Romane ItsMe <NOS…@hereand.there> wrote in article <3719cff4.120463…@news1-wcom.uu.net>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> or getting a book with tummy > >exercises. > Romane, I hate to admit to it, but that’s the kind of exercise I > usually get also. I get a book and read all about it!  ;>) > Maybe that’s why I am about 25 pounds over my previously heaviest > weight!  Seriously, I have a Morton’s Neuroma on each foot, and am > getting ready to have the worst of them "fixed". Hopefully, after > surgery I’ll feel more like walking. Right now, I only go a couple > hundred yards before my foot screams for relief! > Ray G. > Murray, KY > r…@cablecomm-ky.net

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I had my colostomy done in Dec and another abscess/ abd surgery in late Januarry. My Tummy muscles are shot and it protrudes out like I’m 7 months pregnant. I asked my surgeon about excerxises to strenthen and flatten and he said what ever I am comfortable doing? I really need specific things to do? Does anyone know of a web site that shows a fitness program past abdominal surgery? Or just advice? I always had a flat toned tummy before and am quite distrought. Cherrilynne

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Hello Mary Stomahesive paste will always sting because of the alcohol. I don’t know if the Coloplast paste strips are avalable in your country. It has no alcohol in it! Henk Beekhuizen Mary Campos schreef: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, What is your experience after changing your appliance?  I have > an Ileostomy. When I get ready to apply my flange with the stomahesive > applied to the back and stick that baby around my stoma, YIKES!!!!!  It > stings even though I wait one minute after applying the stomahesive to the > flange, for the alcohol to dissapate in the air or whatever it does.  It has > always stung since I can remember.  It’s doesn’t last and it only lets you > know it is there with stinging but does this happen to any one else?  Is > there anything I can do?  No big deal, just wondering. > Peace and Health, > Mary Campos > Homepage  http://www.intertek.net/~mcampos > ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Candy Moran wrote in message … >Try dipping  a cotton bud in water to dampen it and use it to apply paste >candy

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When I was still using paste (pre Eakin Seals days), to help the paste spread thin I would leave the tube in a glass of hot water spouty end down till I was ready to use it.  This tended to thin it so I could put a thin layer down.  I discovered very early that when you do this a) don’t apply it directly to the skin from the tube and b) wait for it to cool on the wafer before applying to skin (which also meant that the alchohol had evaporated). Romane JBLazar <jbla…@aol.com> wrote in article <19990226023809.12471.00000…@ngol06.aol.com>… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The stinging is probably due to the alcohol.  How much paste are you using.  If > you use a thick band, one minute would not be enough time for the alcohol to > evaporate.  You are only supposed to use a very thin band around the inner edge > of the flange.  However, the tubes of paste don’t put out a thin band very > easily, and the paste doesn’t stick well to the flange.  So this is difficult > to do.  

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Hello Mary,  I had the same problem when I was trying to settle into a routine. I bought a handful of Eakin seals on the advice of someone in the group and haven’t had to bother with stomahesive since. I just cut strips and use them to seal the opening in the flange. A lot less trouble and I’ve about doubled my wear time. Good luck, Ernie Fullerton, CA – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mary Campos wrote: > Hi Everyone, What is your experience after changing your appliance?  I have > an Ileostomy. When I get ready to apply my flange with the stomahesive > applied to the back and stick that baby around my stoma, YIKES!!!!!  It > stings even though I wait one minute after applying the stomahesive to the > flange, for the alcohol to dissapate in the air or whatever it does.  It has > always stung since I can remember.  It’s doesn’t last and it only lets you > know it is there with stinging but does this happen to any one else?  Is > there anything I can do?  No big deal, just wondering. > Peace and Health, > Mary Campos > Homepage  http://www.intertek.net/~mcampos > ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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In article <7b2fl2$rn…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,   Mary Campos <mcam…@intertek.net> wrote: > Hi Everyone, What is your experience after changing your appliance?  I have > an Ileostomy. When I get ready to apply my flange with the stomahesive > applied to the back and stick that baby around my stoma, YIKES!!!!!  It > stings even though I wait one minute after applying the stomahesive to the > flange, for the alcohol to dissapate in the air or whatever it does.  It has > always stung since I can remember.  It’s doesn’t last and it only lets you > know it is there with stinging but does this happen to any one else?  Is > there anything I can do?  No big deal, just wondering.

It’s probably the alcohol in the paste. It sounds like you are already waiting a minute to put it on, not much more you can do. Barbara Skoglund (I) Barbara.A.Skoglun…@tc.umn.edu ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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Hi Mary, You didn’t mention if you have any redness, etc., in the peristomal area. That could also be a cause of the stinging. (I don’t get pain when I change my appliance, I itch :>o)  It’s lessened since I started using a coil of Eakin seal around the stoma…applied directly to the peristmoal area. Just a thought. Ann Life is a trip you don’t pack for!

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Pelican do an alcohol free paste – not as effective an adhesive but doesnt sting candy

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Hi Mary, I have an ileostomy too, usually I get some mild stinging  after applying faceplate. It goes away qucikly and hasn’t caused any problem. Gary – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mary Campos wrote: > Hi Everyone, What is your experience after changing your appliance?  I have > an Ileostomy. When I get ready to apply my flange with the stomahesive > applied to the back and stick that baby around my stoma, YIKES!!!!!  It > stings even though I wait one minute after applying the stomahesive to the > flange, for the alcohol to dissapate in the air or whatever it does.  It has > always stung since I can remember.  It’s doesn’t last and it only lets you > know it is there with stinging but does this happen to any one else?  Is > there anything I can do?  No big deal, just wondering. > Peace and Health, > Mary Campos > Homepage  http://www.intertek.net/~mcampos > ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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I have less stinging using the Coloplast caulk. The representative at the "show and tell" at our ostomy meeting said it contained less alcohol, stings less, and doesn’t harden as fast in the tube because there is less alcohol in the product to escape.     Sometimes I also put the caulk on the wafer when I first start, even before I take the old pouch off, and it’s 10 minutes before I put the new flange with paste, on my stoma. Doesn’t seem to reduce wear time, and it hardens a bit, making it much less sticky to take my finger and form a nice circle of caulk around the flange opening. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Mary Campos wrote: > Hi Everyone, What is your experience after changing your appliance?  I have > an Ileostomy. When I get ready to apply my flange with the stomahesive > applied to the back and stick that baby around my stoma, YIKES!!!!!  It > stings even though I wait one minute after applying the stomahesive to the > flange, for the alcohol to dissapate in the air or whatever it does.  It has > always stung since I can remember.  It’s doesn’t last and it only lets you > know it is there with stinging but does this happen to any one else?  Is > there anything I can do?  No big deal, just wondering. > Peace and Health, > Mary Campos > Homepage  http://www.intertek.net/~mcampos > ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

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Suggest you might try applying a "barier" preparation … I have used both ALLKare (Convatec) and No Sting Barrier Film (3M). I use the above products … have sensitive skin … have absolutely no stinging problems with the wafer.

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In article <7b2fl2$rn…@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,   Mary Campos <mcam…@intertek.net> wrote: – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Hi Everyone, What is your experience after changing your appliance?  I have > an Ileostomy. When I get ready to apply my flange with the stomahesive > applied to the back and stick that baby around my stoma, YIKES!!!!!  It > stings even though I wait one minute after applying the stomahesive to the > flange, for the alcohol to dissapate in the air or whatever it does.  It has > always stung since I can remember.  It’s doesn’t last and it only lets you > know it is there with stinging but does this happen to any one else?  Is > there anything I can do?  No big deal, just wondering. > Peace and Health, > Mary Campos > Homepage  http://www.intertek.net/~mcampos > ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- > http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own

THANKS EVERYONE!  I got allot of good ideas here.  I’m going to check with my E.T. nurse to see about some of these suggestions. B-T-W, I use a ConvaTec SurFit (2-piece drainable) and SurFit Flexible Flange with Stomahesive and skin barrier wipes before I apply the flange.  My skin is in good condition. It’s good for about 4-5 days with no problems.  Except the stinging in the stoma when I first apply the flange. Thanks again and if you think of anything else, please post or e-mail. Mary Campos Homepage  http://www.intertek.net/~mcampos ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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I have the same problem.  I use stomahesive paste also. I have a little bit of a breakdown around my stoma. The skin their is a lttle raw and I think that’s why I get the stinging when I apply the wafer. I just hold my breath for about 30 seconds and it goes away quickly but it is a shock at first! :-) nancy

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The stinging is probably due to the alcohol.  How much paste are you using.  If you use a thick band, one minute would not be enough time for the alcohol to evaporate.  You are only supposed to use a very thin band around the inner edge of the flange.  However, the tubes of paste don’t put out a thin band very easily, and the paste doesn’t stick well to the flange.  So this is difficult to do.   Mine stings, too, but goes away after a minute or so.  I actually think it is a good thing, since it means there is alcohol there to sterilize the area right around the stoma.  This might aid in preventing infections.  Just a thought. Bill (I)

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Hi Everyone, What is your experience after changing your appliance?  I have an Ileostomy. When I get ready to apply my flange with the stomahesive applied to the back and stick that baby around my stoma, YIKES!!!!!  It stings even though I wait one minute after applying the stomahesive to the flange, for the alcohol to dissapate in the air or whatever it does.  It has always stung since I can remember.  It’s doesn’t last and it only lets you know it is there with stinging but does this happen to any one else?  Is there anything I can do?  No big deal, just wondering. Peace and Health, Mary Campos Homepage  http://www.intertek.net/~mcampos ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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  Mary Campos <mcam…@intertek.net> wrote: > Hi Everyone, What is your experience after changing your appliance?  I have > an Ileostomy. When I get ready to apply my flange with the stomahesive > applied to the back and stick that baby around my stoma, YIKES!!!!!  It > stings even though I wait one minute after applying the stomahesive to the > flange, for the alcohol to dissapate in the air or whatever it does.  It has > always stung since I can remember.  It’s doesn’t last and it only lets you > know it is there with stinging but does this happen to any one else?  Is > there anything I can do?  No big deal, just wondering. > Peace and Health,

Thats sounds a bit painful Mary. Have you tried a different product e.g. a different stomahesive, or a different flange. I don’t know if it’s the paste you use that causes the sting or the flange itself. I’m guessing it’s a one piece appliance.Those I’m not to familar with but it might pay to get some sample products from the different companies to find a solution. It’s certainly a problem you don’t need. John Harman(I) ———–== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==———- http://www.dejanews.com/       Search, Read, Discuss, or Start Your Own    

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Welcome to the group Mel!  Glad you decided to start posting:) Paty

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A big welcome to you Mel…. This is a great group, very supportive!!!

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Hi Folks, I’ve been lurking here for a year or so and just lately started posting to the group. Thought I had better let you know I’ve been there too. I’ve had Crohns since 1985. Been down the medication road, fistula, abscesses, colostomy for a year and ileostomy for the past nine years. Crohns hasn’t been active since the ileostomy but sometimes I get the feeling it’s just waiting to pounce! As for personals, I’m a balding 40 year old, married (to a very supportive nurse… lucky me!!) male. Three kids, one beagle (may be useful in tracking missing gerbils <g), and a retired cat (he refuses to catch his own food these days). If I’m not at the computer I can usually be found downstairs making sawdust in my workshop, doing my bit to add (modestly) to the family income. Guess that’ll do for starters. I enjoy the group and just thought I’d add an extra set of (rather large) sympathetic ears :) Mel — "…you can’t fool me, there ain’t no ’sanity clause’."                                  -Otis B Driftwood,                                  A NIGHT AT THE OPERA

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This is a situation where every ostomy is different and everyone who has one develops their own system.  I, myself on most occasions CANNOT get the waste out without using a little water and I can’t afford to slap on a new pouch everyday so it’s a relief to have it somwhat rinsed out…My only obsession is shopping!! Susan

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I suppose if someone really needed to irrigate their pouch, that would be one way of doing it. But I’ve never understood why anyone needed to irrigate their pouch unless it was to relieve an obsessive/compulsive disorder.

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Uh-oh… I wash my hands before I eat, too… hmm… How about getting 7-10 days out of a setup because it’s rinsed clean 3-5 times a day?  And just because it’s supposed to be filled with bodily waste doesn’t mean it should be, constantly, with that little bit you just can’t squeegee out by hand.  Don’t knock it ’till you’ve tried it. Dave Actually34 <actuall…@aol.com> wrote in message

news:20020803171049.19266.00000790@mb-mt.aol.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I suppose if someone really needed to irrigate their pouch, that would be one > way of doing it. But I’ve never understood why anyone needed to irrigate their > pouch unless it was to relieve an obsessive/compulsive disorder.

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Doesn’t anyone use The Vent?  A kit produced by Ellenberg Associates of Oriskany, NY, it allows you to rinse the pouch from the top via a piece of 1/4" plastic tubing.  The connection is made with a tiny hole cutter, an aluminum rivet head, and a #36 O-ring, and the perfect bottle is a 250- or 500-mL Nalgene lab squirt bottle with a fine nozzle and valve top. I spoke once with the late Mr. Ellenburg’s son who now runs the business, and he told me that even though the response to this (patented) invention has been overwhelming, no medical supply house would touch it, and not a lot of people of ostomy support caregivers know about it. Dave MacEwan Ron Gould <r…@gould.net> wrote in message

news:ahs54701qjt@enews2.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > geez, i need to get a video camera so i can actually show people how i do > this. > >  that’d be one for the kinky sites, eh? > Is this a "Show me yours and I’ll show you mine" scenario? > <big grin> > ahh-memories of my very young childhood— > <all in good natured fun> > Best— > Ron > Be careful of Scots in Kilts coming up behind you wearing sneakers > ;-) )

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i use hollister new image drainable mini-bags.  they’re very soft, have a nice cloth covering and they don’t make "crinkly" sounds.   i’m a sax player, tho … i hope i’m dexterous. :) >There must be a lot of people in this NG who either have MUCH more >flexible bags than I wear. Or they have a heck of a lot better manual >dexterity than I can muster.  The few times I even made an attempt at >cuffing, the bag split down either side.  Just gotta have the knack, >methinks.  ;-Deano

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> geez, i need to get a video camera so i can actually show people how i do this. >  that’d be one for the kinky sites, eh?

Is this a "Show me yours and I’ll show you mine" scenario? <big grin> ahh-memories of my very young childhood— <all in good natured fun> Best— Ron Be careful of Scots in Kilts coming up behind you wearing sneakers ;-) )

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I have had an ileostomy for nearly 14 years but have a question that probably sounds stupid  and may very well be but here goes anyhow.  I was outfitted with drainable pouches after my initial surgery and have worn them full time since.  I am wondering if anyone wears closed end pouches other than for "special occasions"?  If so, do you dispose of them by placing in a "zip-lock" type of bag and placing them in the regular garbage?  Do any of you make an effort to rinse them out and re-use them?   I find it darn near impossible to clean the tail of a drainable pouch other than when taking a shower and am not crazy about showering each time I empty the pouch.  Any guidance that can be ofered will be appreciated.        Gene

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   >I find it darn near  impossible to clean the tail of a drainable pouch other than when taking a shower and am not crazy about showering each time I empty the pouch.  Any guidance that can be ofered will be appreciated. Gene I clean the end of my drainable pouch quite easily, and each time I empty my pouch. It makes the clip go on more secure, plus I just feel better. After I empty the pouch, I grip the top of the pouch with a few fingers, and "strip" the effluent downward and out with a downward movement of my fingers. Then I take about 12 inches of toilet paper and fold it in half, in half, in half, etc until I end up with something like a "tongue depresser". Then I use that (inside) the tail piece, swabbing in and out, as I move the "tongue depresser" gradually from left to right on the inside of the tailstock. Then the clip goes on real easy, with no "peanut chunks" or other stuff trying to get in the way whilst they are stuck on the inside of the tailstock. Nice clean job— Best— Ron Wow, I know, "tongue depresser", but I could never figure out what else to call it. Real vivid image, huh??? As bad as watching someone decorate a cake, and thinking about "stripping" pouch contents. and I used the word "whilst" too. Ghhhheeeeezzz–is there no (beginning) to my talent?  <big grin> Ron

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Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what the hell was that?"  Sometimes (mostly at home) I put some water in the pouch so everything comes out clean and easy. Susan

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I hold the drainable end up and remove the clip.  Then I cuff the end back about 1 inch and lower the end to drain.  That way the waste doesn’t flow over the portion that is cuffed back.  I take a little toilet paper to wipe off the end, uncuff, and reclip. Jim/Boston >I find it darn near >impossible to clean the tail of a drainable pouch other than when taking a >shower and am not crazy about showering each time I empty the pouch.  Any >guidance that can be ofered will be appreciated.

I’m not young enough to know everything. — J.M.Barrie

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> Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what

the hell was that?"  Sometimes (mostly at home) I put some water in the pouch so everything comes out clean and easy. > Susan

"what the hell was that?" Corn still looks the same as it did when I had all my plumbing. I guess some things never change!!  <grin> ;-) )))) Me too, I sometimes use an empty ‘Banish" bottle, with luke warm water. Pour it in, and "Shake ‘n Bake" the pouch for a good rinse job. Gheeezz– I know, I know–I always have some vivid description of things, like Attilla the Honey says "I’m very creative, vivid &  colorful"      ;-)) My sense of humor keeps me from  (whatever?) Have a good weekend—no, on second thought, make that a Great weekend!! (I’m going to try to grill some of that 18 million pounds of recalled hamburger  this weekend–;-))   Actually, I’m going to throw it out. It has been in the freezer for 2-3 weeks, and I don’t trust that it might be in the recalled hamburger category.) Not worth the risk. Throwout $5 hamburger or pay $250 ER visit and sickness. No way!!. When in doubt, throw it out!! Best— Ron

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> Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what the hell was that?" > Susan

Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn with a product called "Milorganite". Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato plants started growing in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of people who had this problem. Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee Organic—(whatever)". The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage Disposal System, to make a profit with a new product, a composting system using City Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get passed intact when they go through a Human digestive system!!. I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years ago. How’s that for "visual"– NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants into MY garden and eat the tomatoes!!! I really don’t make these up, folks. Best— Ron (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?)        ;-))))

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Oh, by The Way— I remember the name being Milorganite (at that time). Please don’t confuse it with the really good "white crystal" Milorganite sold on the market now for many years. This one is a great soil conditioner, I use it often in my plantings. It is a natural ground product, and is a great soil conditioner, like a "gypsum". Just wanted to clear that up because the origional stuff has not been on the marketnow  for 25-30 years, and the other name is a dead ringer. Totally different stuff. Best— Ron (what variety of Tomato is this?—<grin>)—anal? "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message

news:ah9t000dj@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> > Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what > the hell was that?" > > Susan > Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) > Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn with a product > called "Milorganite". > Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato plants started growing > in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. > The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of people who had this > problem. > Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee Organic—(whatever)". > The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage Disposal System, > to make a profit with a new product, a composting system using City > Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get passed intact > when they go through a Human digestive system!!. > I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. > Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years ago. > How’s that for "visual"– > NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants into MY garden > and eat the tomatoes!!! > I really don’t make these up, folks. > Best— > Ron > (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?)        ;-))))

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Ron–I never did feel that the stuff would migrate into the tomatoes as long as they were staked up off the ground.  In fact, I have been known to go to the sewage disposal plant and get a pickup truck load for my garden.  As you say, that was many years ago–perhaps that was responsible for the UC?  Many years passed between the fertilizing and the UC so I am saying that in jest!! "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message

news:ah9ucu032b@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Oh, by The Way— > I remember the name being Milorganite (at that time). > Please don’t confuse it with the really good "white crystal" Milorganite > sold on the market now for many years. This one is a great soil conditioner, > I use it often in my plantings. It is a natural ground product, and is a > great soil conditioner, like a "gypsum". > Just wanted to clear that up because the origional stuff has not been on the > marketnow  for 25-30 years, and the other name is a dead ringer. > Totally different stuff. > Best— > Ron > (what variety of Tomato is this?—<grin>)—anal? > "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message > news:ah9t000dj@enews1.newsguy.com… > > > Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, "what > > the hell was that?" > > > Susan > > Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) > > Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn with a product > > called "Milorganite". > > Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato plants started > growing > > in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. > > The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of people who had this > > problem. > > Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee Organic—(whatever)". > > The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage Disposal System, > > to make a profit with a new product, a composting system using City > > Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get passed intact > > when they go through a Human digestive system!!. > > I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. > > Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years ago. > > How’s that for "visual"– > > NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants into MY garden > > and eat the tomatoes!!! > > I really don’t make these up, folks. > > Best— > > Ron > > (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?)        ;-))))

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I hadn’t seen the post on tomato seeds and millorganite before, but reading the thread reminded me of way back to the time my old man had a WW II Victory Garden.  He used to use horse manure and I had the pleasure of working the garden.  Often times when he got a load of manure, tomato seeds would sprout into delightful plants from which we got the biggest, juiciest, best tasting tomatoes.  Never had ‘em growing on our front lawn though. — PcolaPhil The worst mistake is to have the best ladder and the wrong wall. "Gene Beckman" <oldem…@cox-internet.com> wrote in message

news:ujjhq6mtodcl42@corp.supernews.com… | Ron–I never did feel that the stuff would migrate into the tomatoes as long | as they were staked up off the ground.  In fact, I have been known to go to | the sewage disposal plant and get a pickup truck load for my garden.  As you | say, that was many years ago–perhaps that was responsible for the UC?  Many | years passed between the fertilizing and the UC so I am saying that in | jest!! | "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message | news:ah9ucu032b@enews1.newsguy.com… | > Oh, by The Way— | > | > I remember the name being Milorganite (at that time). | > | > Please don’t confuse it with the really good "white crystal" Milorganite | > sold on the market now for many years. This one is a great soil | conditioner, | > I use it often in my plantings. It is a natural ground product, and is a | > great soil conditioner, like a "gypsum". | > | > Just wanted to clear that up because the origional stuff has not been on | the | > marketnow  for 25-30 years, and the other name is a dead ringer. | > | > Totally different stuff. | > | > Best— | > Ron | > | > (what variety of Tomato is this?—<grin>)—anal? | > | > | > | > "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message | > news:ah9t000dj@enews1.newsguy.com… | > > | > > | > > > Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang on…you think, | "what | > > the hell was that?" | > > > Susan | > > > | > > | > > Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) | > > | > > Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn with a product | > > called "Milorganite". | > > | > > Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato plants started | > growing | > > in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. | > > | > > The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of people who had | this | > > problem. | > > | > > Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee Organic—(whatever)". | > > | > > The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage Disposal | System, | > > to make a profit with a new product, a composting system using City | > > Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get passed | intact | > > when they go through a Human digestive system!!. | > > | > > I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. | > > | > > Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years ago. | > > | > > How’s that for "visual"– | > > | > > NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants into MY | garden | > > and eat the tomatoes!!! | > > | > > I really don’t make these up, folks. | > > | > > Best— | > > Ron | > > | > > (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?) ;-) ))) | > > | > > | > > | > | > | | |

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Thanks for asking the question, Gene. I am very much new to this whole bag thing and I am struggling myself. I somehow manage to get shit on myself every time I drain. I’ve always done the cuff thing but that seems to be when I get into the most trouble. Is this a step some people skip? I guess the tongue depressor idea would do although it seems involved and also potentially messy. Please keep the suggestions coming in as I really hope to avoid the mess but I’m beginning to think it is just wishful thinking. Otherwise, I need a good hand moisturizer as my hands are drying out with the very frequent washings. Help! "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message

news:ah781b014rq@enews1.newsguy.com… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->    >I find it darn near  impossible to clean the tail of a drainable pouch > other than when taking a shower and am not crazy about showering each time I > empty the pouch.  Any guidance that can be ofered will be appreciated. > Gene > I clean the end of my drainable pouch quite easily, and each time I empty my > pouch. It makes the clip go on more secure, plus I just feel better. > After I empty the pouch, I grip the top of the pouch with a few fingers, and > "strip" the effluent downward and out with a downward movement of my > fingers. > Then I take about 12 inches of toilet paper and fold it in half, in half, in > half, etc until I end up with something like a "tongue depresser". > Then I use that (inside) the tail piece, swabbing in and out, as I move the > "tongue depresser" gradually from left to right on the inside of the > tailstock. > Then the clip goes on real easy, with no "peanut chunks" or other stuff > trying to get in the way whilst they are stuck on the inside of the > tailstock. > Nice clean job— > Best— > Ron > Wow, I know, "tongue depresser", but I could never figure out what else to > call it. Real vivid image, huh??? > As bad as watching someone decorate a cake, and thinking about "stripping" > pouch contents. > and I used the word "whilst" too. > Ghhhheeeeezzz–is there no (beginning) to my talent?  <big grin> > Ron

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They were so insistent in the hospital that I cuff the pouch back when emptying…well, you know what? It does not work for me and I haven’t done it since. (1 yr. post op).  YOu’re right…nothing but a mess.  I just open it up, and when done I clean the end with tissue and a little bit of the inside and put the velcro back on.  I haven’t had any major incidences.  It beats shitting on my hands before the surgery…CD was out of control! Good luck Susan

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I don’t cuff back either. I just wipe the end with tp. Then I fold up a "tongue depresser" (maybe a "pencil" would be a better word. A few in and out strokes with that, and the tailpiece s clean. So are my fingers. Not really that much work–just takes maybe 20 seconds. Best— Ron "bch m8" <dc…@webtv.net> wrote in message

news:9682-3D3D484D-483@storefull-2133.public.lawson.webtv.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> They were so insistent in the hospital that I cuff the pouch back when > emptying…well, you know what? It does not work for me and I haven’t > done it since. (1 yr. post op).  YOu’re right…nothing but a mess.  I > just open it up, and when done I clean the end with tissue and a little > bit of the inside and put the velcro back on.  I haven’t had any major > incidences.  It beats shitting on my hands before the surgery…CD was > out of control! > Good luck > Susan

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It’s just the mental image of where the seeds have been (passing thru an intestinal tract), that turns me off. I know they must be ok tomatoes, but the mental image is really for Sh**. All kind of puns intended ;-) ) Best— Ron "PcolaPhil" <flaretph…@earthlink.net> wrote in message

news:cpl_8.7976$_C2.640688@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net… – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> I hadn’t seen the post on tomato seeds and millorganite before, > but reading the thread reminded me of way back to the time my old > man had a WW II Victory Garden.  He used to use horse manure and > I had the pleasure of working the garden.  Often times when he > got a load of manure, tomato seeds would sprout into delightful > plants from which we got the biggest, juiciest, best tasting > tomatoes.  Never had ‘em growing on our front lawn though. > — > PcolaPhil > The worst mistake is to have the best ladder and the wrong wall. > "Gene Beckman" <oldem…@cox-internet.com> wrote in message > news:ujjhq6mtodcl42@corp.supernews.com… > | Ron–I never did feel that the stuff would migrate into the > tomatoes as long > | as they were staked up off the ground.  In fact, I have been > known to go to > | the sewage disposal plant and get a pickup truck load for my > garden.  As you > | say, that was many years ago–perhaps that was responsible for > the UC?  Many > | years passed between the fertilizing and the UC so I am saying > that in > | jest!! > | "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message > | news:ah9ucu032b@enews1.newsguy.com… > | > Oh, by The Way— > | > > | > I remember the name being Milorganite (at that time). > | > > | > Please don’t confuse it with the really good "white crystal" > Milorganite > | > sold on the market now for many years. This one is a great > soil > | conditioner, > | > I use it often in my plantings. It is a natural ground > product, and is a > | > great soil conditioner, like a "gypsum". > | > > | > Just wanted to clear that up because the origional stuff has > not been on > | the > | > marketnow  for 25-30 years, and the other name is a dead > ringer. > | > > | > Totally different stuff. > | > > | > Best— > | > Ron > | > > | > (what variety of Tomato is this?—<grin>)—anal? > | > > | > > | > > | > "Ron Gould" <r…@gould.net> wrote in message > | > news:ah9t000dj@enews1.newsguy.com… > | > > > | > > > | > > > Yeah, I hate those little chunks of food that hang > on…you think, > | "what > | > > the hell was that?" > | > > > Susan > | > > > > | > > > | > > Some things really show up in the "output" (grin) > | > > > | > > Years ago, in Illinois, people would fertilize their lawn > with a product > | > > called "Milorganite". > | > > > | > > Like many people, I also bought the stuff, and Tomato > plants started > | > growing > | > > in my front yard. I pulled ‘em out like many other people. > | > > > | > > The newspaper wrote an article about the thousands of > people who had > | this > | > > problem. > | > > > | > > Milorganite is the name they used for "Milwaukee > Organic—(whatever)". > | > > > | > > The fertilizer was a product of the Milwaukee City Sewage > Disposal > | System, > | > > to make a profit with a new product, a composting system > using City > | > > Sewerage, and they had not discovered that tomato seeds get > passed > | intact > | > > when they go through a Human digestive system!!. > | > > > | > > I wish I could have made this up, but it is absolute fact. > | > > > | > > Tomatoes in thousands of front yards. About 25 or 30 years > ago. > | > > > | > > How’s that for "visual"– > | > > > | > > NO way was I going to transplant those small tomato plants > into MY > | garden > | > > and eat the tomatoes!!! > | > > > | > > I really don’t make these up, folks. > | > > > | > > Best— > | > > Ron > | > > > | > > (Grilling—-Did you want tomatoes on that Burger?) > ;-) ))) > | > > > | > > > | > > > | > > | > > | > | > |

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After I empty my drainable pouch, I run two fingers down either side until I get near the end to get rid of most of the remaining residue. Then I take a piece of toilet paper and wrap it around both sides of the tail, squeeze and pull the tail all the way  through to get rid of about anything that is left after that. FinallyI put a pink clip up at the top of the tail and take a squeeze bottle of water (an empty toilet bowl cleaning water works good at home and a small empty hand lotion bottle fits in my pocket when I travel) and squeeze a stream of water up the tail to the point where it is clipped. I dab off the water with a piece of toilet paper and then put the second clip on at the end of the pouch tail. It may sound complicated, but it actually just takes seconds and it works for me. Beside, that way I wind up double clipping my pouch, which gives me an added measure of assurance.

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Actually34 wrote: > After I empty my drainable pouch, I run two fingers down either side until I > get near the end to get rid of most of the remaining residue. Then I take a > piece of toilet paper and wrap it around both sides of the tail, squeeze and > pull the tail all the way  through to get rid of about anything that is left > after that. FinallyI put a pink clip up at the top of the tail and take a > squeeze bottle of water (an empty toilet bowl cleaning water works good at home > and a small empty hand lotion bottle fits in my pocket when I travel) and > squeeze a stream of water up the tail to the point where it is clipped.

I have found that a standard nasal spray bottle is perfect for the "tail rinser". You just have to remove the little "spray" thingy from inside them first.  The flat bottle fits nicely into a pocket, and you can add some M5 drops to the water in it for extra odour control as well.                                 ;-Deano

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this is what i do … first, always burp your bag before you empty.  the less gas, the less chance of getting dirty.  second, i hold the bag open end up and let the output kinda settle back into the bag.  third, i cuff, put the open end down to the toilet and empty by squeezing the bag from the top down.  fourth, i pick the open end back up again, the squeeze whatever output is left back into the bag, uncuff and clean with tp.   sounds complicated, takes but a minute and i rarely end up having "shitty" hands. :) geez, i need to get a video camera so i can actually show people how i do this.  that’d be one for the kinky sites, eh? >Thanks for asking the question, Gene. I am very much new to this whole bag >thing and I am struggling myself. I somehow manage to get shit on myself >every time I drain. I’ve always done the cuff thing but that seems to be >when I get into the most trouble. Is this a step some people skip? I guess >the tongue depressor idea would do although it seems involved and also >potentially messy. Please keep the suggestions coming in as I really hope to >avoid the mess but I’m beginning to think it is just wishful thinking. >Otherwise, I need a good hand moisturizer as my hands are drying out with >the very frequent washings. >Help!

Lauren! (take out the "nojunk" to reply) beer drinking, sax playing, baseball junkie on a rampage … beware!

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Lauren-n-n-n-n wrote: > this is what i do … > first, always burp your bag before you empty.  the less gas, the less chance of > getting dirty.  second, i hold the bag open end up and let the output kinda > settle back into the bag.  third, i cuff, put the open end down to the toilet

There must be a lot of people in this NG who either have MUCH more flexible bags than I wear. Or they have a heck of a lot better manual dexterity than I can muster.  The few times I even made an attempt at cuffing, the bag split down either side.  Just gotta have the knack, methinks.  ;-Deano

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Who makes your bags? I use convatec and have no problem with doing like they said squeezing everything out of it and then just wipe the end of the flap with tp. put on the clip and then wipe it again. I have no problem and I have been doing this ever since I had my operation in 1998

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My age is showing again:  In the "old days", we had disposable post-op pouches that were the same width  from top to bottom…4 inches give or take….a real mess to clean….they were turned up 2 or 3 times, fan pleated and a rubber band to secure it…we cuffed them to make cleaning easier as you can see. 6 to 8 weeks post-op, you were fitted with what was called "permanent" or "re-usable" pouches…rubber ones with the narrower opening…   When the disposable pouches came along with the narrower openings the technique of cuffing surfaced again…

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good way to break up those long, boring, post-lunch meetings. whew..who had the taco supreme??? – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -Hozhed wrote in message <19980928121446.20883.00005…@ng90.aol.com>… >>Maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t really understand the need for >>a >>valve, OH, it just dawned on me, you must be using closed end pouches. >Or one-piece system. 2-piece systems allow you to ‘burp’ them much like >tupperware.. >//Bob

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On 26 Sep 1998 01:02:51 GMT, chi…@aol.com (CHICOM) wrote: >My husband Fred, after 30 years of colitis , had his operation last week.  He >is interested in reusable pouches with a relief valve.  Gas is a problem. >Wondered of there is any work on a manual or pressure release valve.  he is an >enginer=er and we  have a number of friends who would like to help him >create/invent and develop something to help with this problem.  If a good >solution is already on the market he would like to purchase same. >Any one have any contacts in a plastic injection molding or contacts within >related valves?

ConvaTec has a new range called "Nutra" with a filter in the pouch. Regards John p Hind Sight is 20/20 Vision

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Hi, Maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t really understand the need for a valve, OH, it just dawned on me, you must be using closed end pouches. I use the open end pouches and when the need arises to "deflate" it I just open the end and let the air out, simple as that. Also, you need to be aware that the gas problem will subside a lot in the weeks to come. It is always much more right after surgery. Have a good one, Joy

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>Maybe I’m missing something here, but I don’t really understand the need for >a >valve, OH, it just dawned on me, you must be using closed end pouches.

Or one-piece system. 2-piece systems allow you to ‘burp’ them much like tupperware.. //Bob

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My husband Fred, after 30 years of colitis , had his operation last week.  He is interested in reusable pouches with a relief valve.  Gas is a problem. Wondered of there is any work on a manual or pressure release valve.  he is an enginer=er and we  have a number of friends who would like to help him create/invent and develop something to help with this problem.  If a good solution is already on the market he would like to purchase same. Any one have any contacts in a plastic injection molding or contacts within related valves?

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On 26 Sep 1998 01:02:51 GMT, chi…@aol.com (CHICOM) wrote: >My husband Fred, after 30 years of colitis , had his operation last week.  He >is interested in reusable pouches with a relief valve.  Gas is a problem. >Wondered of there is any work on a manual or pressure release valve.  he is an >enginer=er and we  have a number of friends who would like to help him >create/invent and develop something to help with this problem.  If a good >solution is already on the market he would like to purchase same. >Any one have any contacts in a plastic injection molding or contacts within >related valves?

************ There may be something like that out there,don’t know. I use a plastic molded convex appliance ring (last’s forever) with disposable bags. I have at time’s stuck a pin hole in the disposable bag to let air out and just cover it with a piece of tape to seal it again. Denny.

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I’m pretty sure that either or both Hollister of Convatec makes pouches with relief valves-suggsest you call around and get some catalogs.  UOA site has list of manufacturers.  I don’t think you need to go sticking holes in your appliance!  Good luck.  Stan.

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Denny, I would appreciate any info you can supply me with in regards to the plastic convex appliance ring with disposable ring.  How may I purchase it. Bruce ABSun…@AOL.com

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Thanks for your reponse  We have the two catalogs   Bruce Medical provided them  Unfortunately they do not have exactly what we are looking for.  But   we will keep looking  If we find it we will do a posting Any additional ideas out there Chicom

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HOLD ONTO YOUR POUCHES! You don’t need to change to another brand for releasing gas from the pouch! Its advertised in the Ostomy Quarterly as a vent that snaps onto ANY pouch. Its called the Osto-Ez-Vent and the # is 1-888-562-8802. You get 10 to a pkg. @ $12.95. Their address is KEM Enterprises, Inc., 1637 Pontiac, S. E., Grand Rapids, MI 49506-3324 I saw their booth at the Ostomy Convention and it really does just snap onto any pouching system. I hope this info is what you are looking for. Susan R.

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